Trump's Hawaii Investigation

How many bankruptcies has he gone through & some want to put him in charge of the country??? CRAZY - he couldn't even keep a casino in the black in Atlantic City. CRAZY...

Corporate bankruptcies are a part of business. I believe Trump has made more then lost at AC.

I don't know if Trump has my vote, but there is more to him then his TV shtick. He has taken great risks and won and lost. On the whole he has been a success since his early days. His kids seem raised well and sharp. Trumps greatest attribute over Obama is his experience in executive command.

I am sorry I do not see anything in beyond his TV persona. He takes risks? WHERE?

As far as kids go: So do Obama's kids. I thought the kids of the candidates are off limits? Or is that only when they misbehave like Bush II & Palins?

His executive command to me makes him one of the least favorable. Any one that takes & fails to give as he & many of his cohorts do should not be in a position to sell the American public more into slavery to the corporation. We do not need a business man that is beholden to big business - We had that with Bush & look where it got us.

I am sorry I do not see anything in beyond his TV persona. He takes risks? WHERE?

Since his early years in New York in the 70's and 80's he has taken risks, successfully managed them and won. Even a quick visit to NYC will see Trumps name on many things. The people didn't name it in his honor, it was because he built it. The ability to build skyscrappers in NYC is no easy task. The money, the organization, the logistics and the politics all make it something few can successfully accomplish.

As far as kids go: So do Obama's kids. I thought the kids of the candidates are off limits? Or is that only when they misbehave like Bush II & Palins?

Trump's kids are adults and successful in their own right. I don't believe saying Obama's raised his kids well is so bad. Why is it for Trump? What did the Bush girls do but get a little drunk now and again. At least they learned that drunk driving lesson from mom. Even Palin's kids did do anything so bad. Getting knocked up is not the worst thing your kid can do.

Hmmm - Let's see he started in his father's real estate business. Where did Obama start? Did he have a father to give him a job? I am sorry anytime someone starts out with a family business you can hardly call them self made. He started with no risks cuz he didn't have to go out & find his job like the rest of us. He is what he is - a corporate shill that will sell out to the highest bidder and give to his cronies cuz that is what he is IMO.

Trump started young in his father's New York real estate business, and by the 1970s had made himself a Manhattan deal-maker, somehow talking banks and city government into financing his ambitious developments.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/donald-trump#ixzz1Iqp8UeVm

So he is not above using the government to finance him BUT would like all the poor to suffer since he is behind cuts to social programs?????

Sounds like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons.

Obama had a few breaks as well, Punaho School isnt cheap.

Neither is the school I send my son to. But with grants & scholarships & work study we squeak by - so how do you know that isn't how he did it? Getting that help for schooling is different then being handed a job & taking money from the government to build your empire - isn't that "WELFARE"?

Corporate bankruptcies are a part of business.

sure it is.. well for the rich.. us poor cant go bankrupt anymore. But it still will be used against him and it will be effective. WE dont need a gambler in the WH, we need stability.

WE dont need a gambler in the WH,

one of the best ways I have heard it put. He is one of the worst kinds of authoritarians.

I don't think telling President Medvedev or President Hu Jintao you're fired is going to be very effective foreign policy.

well, since the country is teetering on bankruptcy, who better to drive us all the way there?

He has had experience in bankruptcy-3 times. That's a quality we all want to see. /s

Put a chauffer's hat on him and give him the wheel. Over the cliff and down we go, with the teapublicans cheering all the way into the abyss.

His kids seem raised well and sharp.

Yeah they are. And much more polished than their dad. They would probably be more suited to a run at the White House then him frankly. He is just too full of himself, and has no class or diplomacy. Just because you have money and surround yourself with nice things, doesn't make you classy.

Trump only is entertaining a run for the White House to make even more of a name for himself. It's pretty clear to see. The man is so incredibly arrogant. We don't need a leader alienating us from the rest of the world even more. Playing hard ball might work in the real estate game, but you have to have more diplomacy when you are a President. Trump just doesn't seem to have that in him.

I don't think telling President Medvedev or President Hu Jintao you're fired is going to be very effective foreign policy

You know that's a TV show, right?

people with talent built it, he just signed the checks

hiring the right people and maintain cash flow for a hundreds of million dollar project is not a small task. He financed a number of projects himself. I wouldn't underestimate the organizational ability and leadership that demonstrates.

Every single set of projects he's been involved with has gone into receivership - the ONLY thing trump is good at is running a con and getting everybody ELSE to risk their money while he rakes off the cream. The ONLY person who has put one over on him was Ivana, outconning the conartist.

Trumps greatest attribute over Obama is his experience in executive command.

Nonsense

Trump has the bucks and he wants to settle this issue once and for all. So what? Its his money. I thought Bill O'Reily settled it - he found Obamas birth in the news paper from an archive. I dont see how BoBo could have faked that. But hey - its entertaining. I think POTUS didnt go out to put this to rest because he wanted the controversy. Lets see what Trump can find out but I dont see Biden being president anytime soon.

My daughter does not have a "birth certificate". She has a "certificate of live birth" much like our president. Does this mean she is not a US citizen? Some places just don't give out the "real deal".

nica - If that little anecdote isn't proof positive that obama was born in HI and really does have a birth cert, I don't know what is.

Obama should just allow access to his birth records and put this matter to rest.

If people don't believe the first document certified by the state of Hawaii... why precisely should anybody expect them to believe a second document certified by the state of Hawaii?

Greg, you just don't get it.

My daughter does not have a "birth certificate". She has a "certificate of live birth" much like our president. Does this mean she is not a US citizen? Some places just don't give out the "real deal"

Only the most clownish are arguing semantics. This issue is this. The birth certificate the President produced like everyone elses is a print out from the state birth records computer system. The information is as valid as the operator that entered it in. Pre-computer births are entered into the system but the original hospital written record is also saved.

Even in the days of paper records, with money and the right connections a phony birth could be entered. It is easier with a computer. The FBI does it legally with witness protection.

Look at a major city like Jersey City, New Jersey. It's birth records system was so corrupted that the city's birth certificates can not be used as legal proof. The citizens have to cut through red tape to get a legit birth record. So, a birth certificate doesn't seem like the final end all doubt word of proof enough to be President. Illegal aliens get phony birth certificates and licenses all the time. Enough of those cases involve the people working at the birth and drivers agencies.

Obama should just allow access to his birth records and put this matter to rest.

If people don't believe the first document certified by the state of Hawaii... why precisely should anybody expect them to believe a second document certified by the state of Hawaii?

Some people will never believe otherwise. They are a small number of the people that have doubts about the matter. Obama's problem are the people that mostly believe he was born in the USA but are not sure either.

Obama refusing public access to his birth records seems suspicious to many people. It flys in the face of any political common sense. I don't think anyone expects the President to dignify his critics by providing his birth records like he was a candidate for President. Simply opening them up and letting the critics and supporters have access is different. It's easy to doubt a claim of 'nothing to hide', when you block access to records.

So I guess the birth announcement was also a plant? I mean THEY KNEW he was going to be president way back then.

I listened to a phone interview with Trump this morning on Morning Joe.

I think Trump has lost his marbles.

He repeated the BC foolishness that has been debunked over, and over and over again.

When asked about he birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspapers, his newest conspiracy theory is that Obamas' mother had Obama in Kenya, hurried back to the US within 5 days and she had his name put in the birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspapers.. She was a very busy lady, traveling half way around the world right after giving birth so she could put the announcement in the newspapers-----knowing full well that he would be President one day. Yeah Riiiiiiiight.

The whole panel was laughing at him. The more they questioned him, the more belligerent he became.

I think he's gone round the bend.

I used to think highly of him, even though he is an adulterer, filed for bankruptcy 3 times, and is an egotistical, narcissistic man. But his crazy delusions are putting him in the same category as Glen Beck, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman.

He's pandering to the teabaggers. Someone should whisper in his ear that the teabaggers are not the majority of this country, and a big chunk of America thinks they are &^%$# crazy.

It is the Secret Service's responsibility to investigate the backgrounds of any and all who run for the highest office in the land. Rest assured, they would have found evidence that he is not born in the U.S. if it were the case. However, the birther quest is a great diversion from the actual issues facing the nation. As long as they keep doubts about Obama's brithplace alive, few will notice the current Republican hopefuls, and their Democratic counterparts, have nothing concrete to offer the nation.

Obama should just allow access to his birth records and put this matter to rest.

President Obama has met every legal obligation and has actually gone above and beyond what any previous president has done to prove his citizenship. The State of Hawai'i has certified his citizenship.

GET THE **** OVER IT.

(I'm going to take a break from Newsvine now because the stupidity is doing bad things to my blood pressure and civility.)

Could you imagine the Constitutional crisis having an illegal President would cause?

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absolutely NONE AT ALL. ZERO, NADA, ZILCH... You need to know our laws. He was certified president and that makes him president.

look even if we could prove that bush stole the election in 2004 with the machines, all his rulling and appointments would stand, as he was CERTIFIED PRESIDENT.. that makes him president.

not only that but congress certified that obama was a citizen, they did the same for mccain(most people dont know mccains was on shakier ground for his birth than obama)

congress can make anyone a natural citizen by vote, they get this power by article I section 8 in the constitution.

and they did... so it really does not matter at this point what you prove.. they could probably try to impeach him and say he shouldnt have been sat, but you cant undo a certified presidency.

The birth certificate the President produced like everyone elses is a print out from the state birth records computer system. The information is as valid as the operator that entered it in. Pre-computer births are entered into the system but the original hospital written record is also saved.

Jave - Not necessarily true. If your American parents were travelling in a foreign country and you had been born in France, your parents could go to the county of their residence in the US and get a "Certification of Live Birth" for you. This would serve as your "Birth Certificate" for your entire life. Would it be proof that you were born in the US? No, because you weren't. But you would use it as proof that you are an American citizen, because you would be. The original birth certificate signed by the doctor with all the details would be in France where you were born.

Personally, I believe that obama was born in HI but there is interesting anectodal evidence that he was not. I believe that there is something else on his birth cert that he does not want people to know. We may find out soon as ten states may require a birth certificate before putting presidential candidates on their ballots in 2012.

As has been said many times, a "Certification of Live Birth" in not the same as a "Birth Certificate". States issue both and they are issued for specific reasons. SOmetimes records are destroyed in storms or floods. When this happens, people go to the county and have a "Certification of Live Birth" issued and it becomes the only official record of their birth. It can be used for getting a passport or whatever. They are also issued for Americans born of American parents in foreign countries. That fact, along with the anectodal evidence such as his Kenyan family saying he was born there and an apparent birth announcment in Mombasa, lead tot he questions. If obama wanted to put this all to bed he could just release his original Birth Cert but for some reason he will not.

Obama refusing public access to his birth records seems suspicious to many people.

He went out of his way to make his birth record public.

It's easy to doubt a claim of 'nothing to hide', when you block access to records.

He has not blocked access to anything. He has presented a state certified document. Anything else is kept by Hawaiian State Law.

Ten states cannot ask for a birth certificate before putting a candidate's name on a ballot. That is totally unconstitutional.

As I have said before. I have my original birth certificate with the raised labe. It has my name and the name of my parents. It is the size of an index card. That's it. Nothing else. No doctor's name, etc.

It is obviously much harder for many people to accept that a black man was elected President. And the fact that he is smarter than most people also ticks them off. And yes, he is smarter than Trump. Anyone who has to tell you how smart they are usually turns out to be an overblown, egotistical idiot.

Anyone who buys into this whole birther thing really needs to examine how gullible they are - or is the hatred for the President so great that any, and I mean any, excuse to delegitimize him will do.

Hey - although I don't believe George Bush actually won in 2000, the Supreme Court said he did. That's it. Case closed. George Bush became President. Get it? Obama is President.

Greg, you're seriously splitting one of Comb-over guy's fluffy hairs that he can't afford to share with you

greg- His family saying that is about as true as his "kenyan" birth certificate that was proven a fraud.

http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/11/29/the-unkillable-obama-s-grandmother-says-he-was-born-in-kenya-myth.aspx

Ten states cannot ask for a birth certificate before putting a candidate's name on a ballot. That is totally unconstitutional.

Elections are a function of states. Do you have a citation for your assertion that the Constitution addresses the subject?

As I have said before. I have my original birth certificate with the raised labe. It has my name and the name of my parents. It is the size of an index card. That's it. Nothing else. No doctor's name, etc.

So what? Were you born in Hawaii? Every state has it's own forms and procedures. obama's can only be compared to other HI birth certs, not to certs from other states. I have a friend who was born in a hospital on Oahu 2 years after obama and her birth cert looks nothing like his. That's because she has her original birth cert and the one obama shows us is a replacement birth cert called a 'Certification of Live Birth'. Why? Where is the original?

Really Ted? That article from Slate is proof positive to you that obama was born in HI? Or even that it demonstrates that some interviewer is lying? It's barely heresay or anecdotal.

Talking to a birther is like talking to a person that has one foot nailed to the floor and persists in hopping around in circles.

The birthers are so ignorant, they don't realize they are being used.

The Republicans have nothing, no plan to help the middle class or working man. The do have a plan to take every penny they can from the country and flush it to the top.

If they can keep the slack jawed, gullible all ginned up on this idiotic birther issue, they can pick your pockets clean and throw your money at the rich. Who BTW have been doing quite well thank you. Not to mention corporations that pay no taxes and actually get a rebate on the tax payers dime.

You birthers have been given the evidence, the facts, over and over and over again, yet you still refuse to believe what is put in front of you. You have no logic in your thinking. You cannot accept Obama is an American citizen, not because of his birth certificate, but because you don't want to believe it-period.

So moving forward, you prove he is not a citizen. Good luck with that. Epic fail for the birthers even with the courts.

Birthers are a lesson in futility.

greg-now you show me proof he is NOT an American citizen. If you had a critical thinking mind, this should answer all your questions.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

The birth certificate issue has been given a pass by the main street media but by no means has he provided a document for the country to view nor has he given records for his education, I believe they have been locked for a reason... potentially could be the biggest scandal in American history !

Has any other President?

babina,

That is what I want to know. Who is behind Trump? Someone came and sat down at the kitchen table and talked about a plan.

It seems as well-liked as he is, powerful and rich, his detectives would have surely turned up something by now?

Sheesh!! All bankruptcy and no sense...

He is never going to release any personal financial information so he is not going to run.

It's not so much the financial information that will do him in.

In exchange for Donald's "birther quest" investigation and results, let's have a public, televised "discovery" session to see if that's really a small, dead animal on his head, a bad comb-over, or just the worst hair style on earth.

Trump is very sensitive about that ugly mop--possibly because it hides the lobotomy scar.

Then my work here is done, Par. Happy to oblige!

Trump and other birthers could find a video tape of the actual birth - and they still wouldn't believe it. They cannot accept that Barack Obama is the President.

They are all acting like silly, spoiled children, running around the sandbox.

Here's a bigger question: Why does the media, and supposedly professional journalists, allow anyone who believes this crap, to be interviewed and treated as someone important.

The Today Show, for awhile now, has sullied their reputation. Viera, usually a thinking person, did herself no favors by not challenging Trump's idiotic and egotistical remarks.

Shame on the media for covering this stuff. It is nonsense. Better cover what really is in Paul Ryan's budget.

and after Ivana, ask the second wife, before he ran around and took up with the third wife.

Bankruptcy 3 times, adulterer, crazy delusional----yep, all the right qualifications to be a morally corrupt Teapublican.

Maybe he'll be like Newty and blame his love of country on his adultery-in front of the Christian right no less, and they gobbled it up.

I want to know where all the decent Republicans are?

Geez-Teapublicans, just like F Troop.

Did everybody walk past his mentality that we need to take over the oil-rich lands? Yep. That'd sit well with the rest of the world.

My though on the matter is - it drives the birthers crazy. The President knows it and I hope somewhere in his mind he finds a little chuckle over their insanity. It's a ridicolous thing to be outraged over.

It will be very interesting if Trump turns out to be right.

He won't be, don't be silly. This is about one thing only and that is(drum roll please): he's publicly interviewing for the "becksters" job. I'd bet money on it.

That's funny, teresa. I was thinking the same thing. One insane loon goes down and another rises to take his place. Your theory might not be so far-fetched.

"It will be very interesting if Trump turns out to be right."- How will you deal with it when Trump turns out to be wrong? What, exactly, will birthers accept to prove Pres. Obama's birth place. You don't believe him, his mother, his grandmother and grandfather, his birth announcement, his official certificate from the state, the state registrar, the state Governor, school records... WHAT are you looking for?

cm, the hand of God.

Do you mean they are looking for another virgin birth nica? :)

Honestly Vlad, I am not sure if even that would be acceptable.

Do you mean they are looking for another virgin birth nica? :)

That would be a certain reason for impeachment...

There would be no "father" line filled out on the BC, it would be incomplete and therefore INVALID.

Nah. Happens all the time but they usually put in unknown.

Let's hope so...Obama would win by a landslide!

If Glenn Beck thinks you're crazy, and you're on his side of the political spectrum, then you should probably be on thorazine...

How did Michael Moore get into this? I thought this was about Trump.

"long walks on the beach, candlelight dinners... oh yeah.. and world peace..."

He has pretty much the same mentality as the pageant contestants he used to cheat on his wives with...

(Except that I doubt even most of those bimbos are birthers...)

The only decent Republican gets ignored Ron(not Rand) Paul.

Does he also believe that we shouldn't regulate the oil and coal industry because it costs them too much? Even after we witnessed first hand what lax or unenforced regulation leads to re the BP oil spill and the Upper Big Branch disaster?

Libertarians will ruin everything in this country for the sake of corporate profits.

Ron does not pander to big oil or other big corporations. He is the only one who is really for the little guy. He wants people to face reality and be practical but I guess that is just too far fetched for most of the people.

Ron does not pander to big oil or other big corporations.

That's good to hear. His son sure does.

lisa I kind of like Paul but until he puts details into his plans no way. How will the services of the IRS, dept of ed, etc etc be replaced. To assume states could or would do all that is not happening. That just leaves business which would turn monopolistic, then we would be back in the same boat with one major difference -- no say at all in the decision making process

How will the little guy be protected from the big guy.

Well he is trying to end the Federal Reserve which printed up the money for Bush's war in Iraq, for corporations to profit from wars. He would make a balanced budget amendment so the government could only spend what it takes in, no more borrowing money and no more the Fed printing up money. He is right at the heart of where our debt comes from. He would bring our troops home from all around the world, not let the corporations use our military industrial complex, no more wars for oil, no personal income taxes, rather corporate and excise taxes. Read his book "End The Fed." He says the Federal Reserve created the housing boom and bust and is now busting the bond market and that it steels from the middle class and gives to the rich via inflation which is caused by printing up more and more money, putting it into the economy.

Ron Paul 2012. No more old time Repubs, no more Dems. End both old time parties and end the debt.

The Democratic party will never be in office again, it is now completely finished. All of its programs are all in massive debt, bankrupting the states and SS and Medicare are using up most of the federal budget and in 120 trillion dollars of debt. Welfare bankrupted CA, the government pensions are in 200 billion dollars of unfunded liabilities.

NO one wants any of the Republican candidates because the Republican party is finished. Enough corruption and killing the middle class. In case no one has noticed, both parties are finished.

Ron Paul 2012.

I think people are misreading Trump. I saw a liberal guy on Chris Matthew's show yesterday who interviewed Trump, and he likes him. Liberals want a tariff on imports from China, and that is the first order of business for the U.S., a tariff for revenue and to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. The Repubs have NO one anyone likes. Do you see one Fox follower who actually likes Eye of Newt or any of those old time corporate Repubs? Palin and Bachmann have zero chance to win Independents. Haley Barbor is KKK, forget about the mainstream voters. All they have is Trump. And, he is right on the money about the tariff and creating jobs.

I contacted him and told him to run as VP with Ron Paul. Put Ron Paul in there to get all the rest of these messes both parties have made cleaned up, and let Trump deal with China and manufacturing jobs. That is exactly what we really need. I have had beyond enough of all of the Dems and of all of the Repubs.

Sorry, sms, Rivera did that live on camera. You don't expect Trump to be that honest, do you? He may tape the discovery, but when it turns out to be proof that the Pres. WAS born in HI that tape will disappear faster than you can say "you're fired." (What do you want to bet those investigators have some seriously hairy clauses in their contracts that will break them financially if they disclose anything they find without the Don's blessing?)

cm. I'm assuming that he is going to "find" that the President was NOT born in Hawaii. How is it helpful to his aims (whatever the hell they are) to prove the actual fact? It will be very interesting to see how he "proves" this negative. And how can you possibly claim that Trump would do anything underhanded? cm, I'm shocked, shocked.

Well. sms, either Rivera is not a good example, then, or I don't remember his big scene properly. Didn't Rivera prove the opposite? But you expect the Don to prove what he wants to prove. That means, the Don has to to get into the tomb before he opens it, fix the evidence inside, and then have the big reveal. OH! You're saying Trump has the kind of money it takes to have those kind of results? Yeah. You're right. The truth will be buried even deeper. After all, Trump knows all kinds of forgers, right?

Jealous of someone who had to declare bankruptcy three times? Who looks like a clown with a bad combover? Who is stupid enough to believe in the birther conspiracy? LOL!

Come on, guys. Trump does not believe the birther nonsense any more than he believes he will ever be President. This is free advertising.

I really like how some one assumed that my savior was our current prez. I made no mention of my favorite candidate or my favorite party.

Only my disdain for Mr. Trump!! Thanks

If he does, it will probably be just as fake as Obama's.

Yes, people can take that whichever way they want.

;)

What evidence do you have that says Obama's Certificate of Live Birth is fake? None I am sure.

This entire debate is a travesty. Trump hasn't even annunciated a single worthy policy initiative nor explained why he has gone into bankruptcy multiple times yet thrived through the most unscrupulous of means. Why would anyone vote for this guy? Why would anyone respect him? If Trump is presidential material we have truly sold our soul to the top 1%.

I will say it is totally fair for him to attempt to investigate this matter but why would you draw conclusions before you have any evidence? The accuser would not only have to prove that there was falsification of documents by multiple state and hospital officials (and newspaper staff) but that Obama was in fact born outside of the US. And that simply is not going to happen. This is a complete red herring used to to distract from the GOP/TP's lack of workable policy.

Not only has the birth certificate of the President been shown, it has also been certified as authentic and true by the governor of the state of Hawaii which I might remind everyone is a republican. I had some small amount of respect for Trump before he started this nonsense but he is obviously catering to the lunatic fringe.

Yeah, the same governor that was overjoyed that he had the certificate and then the health service office of hawaii state that they did not have it?

By "birth certificate" I suppose Trump and the birthers mean a hospital record of the birth. They must mean that because the official Hawaiian legal birth certificate has been produced as Nancy just noted, and two contemporaneous newspaper birth announcements have also been found in newspaper archives. So let's play Trump's game. Suppose no one can find a hospital record of his birth in Hawaii. What would that prove? There could be many reasons why such a record would no longer exist after 46 years, especially where it is not the official certificate of birth. Even if that record should have been submitted to officials as the basis of the existing certificate, it could still be innocently missing.

There is nothing that will supplant the official and newspaper record in Obama's favor until someone finds official and authentic documentation that he was born elsewhere, and the birthers have not and cannot do that because they have spent a lot of time and money trying and so has the press.

There's a conspiracy for all that stuff. Every birther knows that Obama's father planned this whole scenario knowing he would be President one day. Makes perfect sense, to the lunatics amongst us.

SDCharger: Yeah, the same governor that was overjoyed that he had the certificate and then the health service office of hawaii state that they did not have it?

No that was the current governor, it was the previous Republican governor who authenticated it.

BTW they didn't say they don't have it they said they will not release it because of the privacy act - just like they can not release any of the vault copies for all Hawaiians.

SD Charger

The FBI, the CIA, The Defense Department, The NSA, all of those agencies investigate anybody that makes it to this level of our government.